BARNABY JOYCE: No, OK, let's - the charge that is yelled across the chamber, Tony, as you well know, is they yell out "denier". Even, I've heard Professor Garnaut use the word "denier". Now there's a clear association with the word denier to Holocaust denier, and I find that simile repugnant. I find the use of a simile that is used for something that is so absolutely disgusting in human history such as the Holocaust be cunningly used as a device to implicate the motives of people in the climate change debate. And, therefore, you know, I try to step that out. And even that itself, Tony, was used a mechanism against ...